This church is affiliated with the Minnesota Baptist Conference and the Baptist General Conference, and may likewise cooperate with interdenominational fellowships on a voluntary independent basis. I have an old high school friend here with me who started visiting churches. We are not affiliated with any man-made external organization be it a Convention, Association, Fellowship, or National Denomination. Growing up in a very conservative IFB church, I can personally attest to how accurate most of these were. As far as tithing is concerned, the people who do tithe, it should be because they tithe because they want to. Its a Biblical principle that we are commanded to follow. The parable of the prodigal son is talking about Israel the younger and Judah the elder. I had no idea that I, as an IFB, might be guilty of these things. Neither should control the other. N/A I dont think having two revivals a year is a bad thing as they word states we should continue to get together as believers. You can forgive him, that doesnt mean you have to marry him. You should do something else with the time God has aloud you.Nonsense is not what people need to hear. Such as??? Ive used tattoos but not permanent ones. 22 of the congregations are in 16 U.S. states, one in British Columbia, three are in the Philippines, two are in the Australian states of New South Wales and Queensland, and one congregation is located in the South African town of Middelburg. They are already spelled out in the Bible. We sought counseling to see if there was any hope. Whether we worship with hymns or hands int he air praise and worship songs, we are all suppose to be on the same side. 29 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. The verses you quoted are taken out of context and dont mean what you imply them to mean. Many of these, yes are extreme, be we also need to not be compromising in some areas. 23 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Me and my husband got saved 3 1/2 years ago at an IFB church. I dont post this to to attack you, nor defend Dave, rather to simply point out that perhaps both are not setting the best of examples? The members were so sweet to us. Those are my concerns about the 25 topics about the Independent Fundamental Baptist beliefs. 53. 9 Their worship of me is pointless, because their teachings are rules made by humans.. If your pastor is a true scholar of the Bible and is on fire with eagerness to teach it, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Im convinced that its much much deeper than rejecting real truth .. many many come back in southern Baptist churches, but not ifb churches.. what say u. (Hello to all my fellow-tithers!!!) 16. No official opinion on this though as I said we should discipline our children the same way God disciplines us King James is the inspired word of God While I do like the old King James Bible but King James Only is wrong because its misleading and its legalism. (Mat 22:37-40) Can you honestly say that this is of God. What Jesus did on the cross is for our salvation. (Colossians 1:18; Matthew 18:15-20; Acts 15:22-21; 2 Corinthians 8:1-5, 19, 23), All born-again believers have the privilege of direct access to God. to show me the folly of my performance-based religion. And if a lost person were to stumble upon this page and read your list and how you respond to any differing opinions, would you be helping plant a seed? The church never knew our problems but god did. My pastor and his wife sent evil. First get rid of the log in your own eye; then you will see well enough to deal with the speck in your friends eye. If you think that the title Pastor is the synonym for the man of God this is not the case in the church I go to. Was so funny reading it, one thing that struck me is if an outsider were to read it theyd be incredulous, wondering how we stuck with it for so long. What if it had been biting you for 5, 10, 15, or (in my case) 25 years and you managed to finally escape would you go back or send a love one to pet it? I read Matthew 23 just before writing. All Catholics will not go to heaven is absolutely wrong. My ministry isnt to the lost, its to help heal those whove been hurt by the IFB. A Baptist church may choose to associate with other churches of like faith Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If youve been taught that robbing God (not giving 10% of gross income) is the special, one specific sin that will cause God to lift all protection of your life and allow satan FULL LIBERTY to destroy you. If you think that three church services per week is the minimum and that you must attend all three every week, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 9. We need no other human agent or spiritual mediator. Then they paid for your reception, photographers and shower? Baptists are people of the Bible and not fellings. A Baptist church may choose to associate with other churches of like faith around mutual interests or ministry opportunities, but one church cannot exert authority over another. You can be saved and live however, but there will be consequences the saddest consequence of this behavior is your relationship with God will be Hindered greatly or little. Yes, I remember that. WebEvery active member wishing to speak shall rise and respectfully address the moderator. 2Co 5:15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. Everyone has sent in their life. Satan's eternal end is everlasting torment in the Lake of Fire (Revelation 20:10). That makes no sense. Only thing Ill add to the list is, You might be an IFB if you greet all visitors with huge smiles, handshakes, and extreme cheerfulness. I feel sorry for all the visitors we almost accosted now; no wonder some never came back! If you (like Jason) come to this site to criticize sarcasm by hypocritically using sarcasm, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. The last pastor I had, at Mountain, would yell sometimes on his sermons to make sense of humor since most of his sermons were pretty funny but never pounded the pulpit. You tend to lump independent Baptist or independent religious organizations into one lump, sensing that they are all the same. You strain your water so you wont accidentally swallow a gnat, but you swallow a camel! 27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. That was an extensive list, and sooooo true! The IFB ostracizes people when they leave. Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. You consider it a personal failure if you are not able to find a verse within ten seconds, and secretly proud if you are able to find it right away. Its our personal decisions that cause us to who to hell though most of their practices are not biblical, especially the devotions to the Virgin Mary as they especially have her as the intercessor. For you shut the door of the Kingdom of Heaven in peoples faces. Did I have to marry him because I forgave him? Point is that we are to edify with love and meekness all brothers and sisters in Christ, not criticize in front of a lost world. Scripture is Good! I can tolerate the other bits that go over board as long I am believing the word and get correct non compromising bible teaching. I was sincerely disappointed. If you believe that clapping after special music is wrong because it gives praise to the performer rather than to God, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 16. This is an assumption.. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 [1], New IFB churches have caused controversy on several occasions, because of their opposition to homosexuality. No one knew about the marriage except us. Most Americans dont understand that there are flavors of Baptist Christianity, everything from liberal to hardcore Fundamentalist. 15. Its the inspired word of God. You might be an independent Fundamental Baptist if. 52. I dont see how. If the devil is going to attack, he will attack the family and the church first. 31 But in saying that, you testify against yourselves that you are indeed the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. If your church encouraged you to make your own decision about becoming baptized, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. So I did. Not of works, lest any man should boast. THE PARABLE IS NOT A GUIDE NOR DID JESUS SAY THAT ITS A MAP ON HOW TO DEAL with a wayward child!! I dont know your past, but I know mine and it aint righteous. [14], Tarrant County, Texas preacher Dillon Awes attracted considerable controversy for advocating that "every single homosexual" in America be lined up against a wall and shot in the back of the head. For you cross land and sea to make one convert, and then you turn that person into twice the child of hell you yourselves are! We are happily married today blessed with 2 more children. Every proposition presented for action of the church must be introduced by motion of one member and seconded by another. These are right on the money! Interesting that Steve begins his response by taking the Lords name in vainmmmmmmm, very interesting, but hes found the truth, riiiiight. Fellowship, guidance, and encouragement of the local church family are essential for believers to maintain an unwavering testimony and a meaningful life of service. The membership The churches that teach certain things unrelated to scripture, are a result of what the Bible calls IN THE LAST DAYS. In the last days, people will leave their first love, just as you have left YOUR first love, probably because of a pastor, an arrogant church member, or maybe because of your very own relationship with God, a relationship that is lacking. Besides I dont understand why you shouldnt listen to Contemporary Christian music. 48. 4 How can you think of saying to your friend, Let me help you get rid of that speck in your eye, when you cant see past the log in your own eye? What your pastor told you is extremely dangerous and silly. This group is for fellowship, sharing of resources, devotional thoughts, posting of sermons, news of interest, ministry ideas, missionary/church links, KJV verse photos, and general edification. Romans 5:8 is about salvation. (Genesis 2:24; Leviticus 18:1-30; Romans 1:20-32; I Corinthians 5:1; 6:9; I Thessalonians 4:l-8; Hebrews 13:4), We believe that human life begins at conception and that the unborn child is a living human being. Due to the nature of the churches being independentin their autonomy, a percentage of what is believed, practiced or condemned by Independent Baptists (or IndependentFundamental Baptists, or Bible Believing Baptists, or IndependentBible Believing Baptists, or Unaffiliated Baptists, or Unaffiliated IndependentBaptists - just to I am also against body piercings as well. How will you escape the judgment of hell? It is the final authority on all matters of faith, practice, and polity. Three words vacation bible school *shiver*. If a child is behaving like a child (i.e., appropriate for his/her age), but you think they are being misbehaving and rebellious, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 40. N/A If you think that secular music (i.e., anything other than old time gospel hymns) is sinful, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 19. Is to help you find a bible believing church, an Independent Fundamental Baptist Church, that seeks to serve and honor the Lord Jesus Christ. I must say, I was hoping the list would be more interesting but the fact mixed into the exaggeration of each point was mostly so true it seemed a bit pointless! Pastor dont preach on smoking unless he preaches on a list of things that destroy the body. 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brothers eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Quite the contrary, I was searching for something else when I clicked on this link, so I didnt then and dont now come looking to argue. the Bible teaches us to prove and test matters. As I sit under preaching, sing worship songs unto the Lord, pray earnestly, read my Bible as often as I can, and search through commentaries to help me gain a deeper knowledge instead of surface reading, I KNOW Im drawing closer to God in a personal relationship with Him. We believe his power is supernatural, yet limited; and that he cannot act without the permission of God (Job 1:6-12; I John 4:4). The other thing is: Nowhere in the bible are we commanded to attend a regular CHURCH building and dress nice. God Wasnt going to see our fornicating as bringing glory to him. I dont deserve Gods forgiveness or even my husbands forgiveness. Hypocrites! lm 8:4-9; Colossians 3:9-11). I do agree that its not sinful about renting movies or watching them on TV. If you believe that using guitars in church is too liberal, yet you listen to patch the pirate who uses guitars, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 14. We believe education in the world is good, but the teaching of evolution needs to be addressed if the individual is a little kid as false doctrine. God forgave my husband through Christ. I personally fall under Southern Missionary Baptist, and literally had questions in regards to my recent visits at an IFB church. He perhaps worded somethings poorly perhaps, but he is completely turned off by your attitude and responses Steve. Youre judgment of me by one blog post and its comments is typical IFB tactic. The pastors name is Kevin Draganac. ? [2] They are described by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) as "a loose network of independent churches concentrated in the U.S. connected by their belief in certain religious doctrines and a shared brand of deeply anti-LGBTQ and antisemitic teachings." No one should be forced to any belief against his or her will. Anderson and other New IFB pastors have praised the Orlando gay nightclub shooting. If you refuse to use any other Bible version than the KJV because you think its either too worldly, sinful or less accurate,you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 4. I praise the lord for that because if I sin I dont have to announce it to anyone but my Heavenly Father and he is faithful and just to forgive me. While God hates divorce, but we should help those who are divorce so they can grow spiritually. I personally fall under Southern Missionary Baptist, and literally had questions in regards to my recent visits at an IFB church. 19. I actually looked up the word just now (Random House Websters College Dictionary), and here are the definitions: 3.) The True Church: The doctrine of a believer's church is a key belief in Baptist life. Let God tell you who He is in the letter He wrote for you and youll find a love you cannot comprehend. I go to an IFB church and thought a few of your statements could be funny if in the right spirit, some not so much and others I found untrue altogether. I must put it in Jesus Christ. If you believe that declining to spank your child is the equivalent to spoiling him/her, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist If the IFB churches are hurting the cause of Christ, would your attitude and example also hurt His cause. My mother doesnt wear fancy earrings. Inspired by Jeff Foxworthys You Might Be A Redneck IfI came up with a similar list of items for the IFB. It took exposure to more mature Christians (who were not not IFB!) First Works had previously been the site of protests by activists opposed to its anti-LGBTQ teachings, but police reported there was no evidence linking the protesters to the bombing. Its pure manipulation. Most people find it hard to swallow that anyone really thinks that way at all. Most Christians believe everything in the Bible. That being said, your list is probably only funny to those of us who have lived it. I dont think its as bad as all this, but thats my 2 cents and maybe Im still on the inside.. 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We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ was raised bodily and that He ascended to Heaven and is now exalted at the right hand of God, where, as our High Priest, He fulfills the ministry of Representative, Intercessor, and Advocate (Acts 1:9-10; Hebrews 9:24, 7:25; Romans 8:34; I John 2:1-2). Members come into the church personally, individually, and freely. The women that I befriended in this church will always be my sister in Christ. For you are like whitewashed tombsbeautiful on the outside but filled on the inside with dead peoples bones and all sorts of impurity. Im open to discussions what Im not open to is people telling me what God wants me to do with my time and resources. We had been boyfriend and girlfriend for 5 years and a baby that was 10 months old. 7 You hypocrites! All youve done in your last paragraph is parrot typical IFB talking points no substance there, just regurgitation. 2. If you want a discussion ask for one. Church membership is a necessary privilege for believers who follow Christ. Theres a lot that is biblical in your post that we should want to do and some not biblical and therefore should abstain from practice. Should I choose not to forgive after Christ has already died for him? you DVR the Superbowl (or watch sport center on your phone in the vestibule) because you cant miss church. Tithing is also commanded in the bible and we are to give because he loves us and give with a joyful heart. The list is quite helpful just in case one is wondering if theyre living through the motions or not though, but some things are definitely unbiblical to do whether youre IFB or not.
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